“Hello. My name is Yair Hoffman. A number of women approached me and asked me to write an article about the declining state of Tznius dress among Bais Yaakov graduates. I wrote one. It was a carefully researched halacha article. I did not wish to bash people and tried writing it in a manner that assumed people did not know the halacha. I did not see this myself, but I assumed that this was the case. I showed the version to the women who approached me and they made emendations to the exact issues involved.
To their credit, a number of people have re-exained what they have written and have realized that there is a person on the other end. That person is a human being with a wife, beautiful children, etc. I am sure you are a good person, aloving wife and a good mother. But to accuse me of standing in carpool lanes looking at women’s legs is just wrong.
I am enclosing another halacha article that I just wrote for your perusal. I wrote it l’zecher nishmas someone who has just lost their mother, who had asked me to write it.”
Yesterday, I posted a link on Facebook to an online semi-apology to Rabbi Hoffman, by the blogger, The Evolving Jew. He too had written a criticism of Rabbi Hoffman’s article and behavior, and wished to make note of a comment that Rabbi Hoffman left on his blog -
“This morning, Rabbi Hoffman himself commented on the post:
“Actually I wikipedia-ed the information and never saw the issue of non-tzniyus drop-ffs myself. The information was brought to me by a number of women, a few of them. I wrote the correct halacha and do not appreciate the attacks on my character for simply writing halacha. I have been called a sexual pervert, a fetishist, and worse for this article – for simply writing halacha. I am not sure why people think that it is okay to do this. I am very disappointed.”
I obviously hurt the feelings of Rabbi Hoffman. His article, in my opinion, was ridiculous and deserved deep criticism. But I should not have implied that he was a sexual fetishist. I obviously never believed that, I was just using hyperbole to make my point.”
I have to say that after reading that Rabbi Yair Hoffman is basing his opinions on the word of women who approached him to write an article, this does put him in a different light. I also must say, that much of the vilification could have been avoided if he had only started his article with this line, “ A number of women approached me and asked me to write an article about the declining state of Tznius dress among Bais Yaakov graduates.“ Because Rabbi Hoffman wrote the article as if he were making first hand observations, naturally, the reader assumed that he was spending an inordinate amount of time focusing on tznius in a way which seems inherently, well, untznius.
Being a woman who wears leggings under skirts to exercise, I do not agree with his final psak that leggings are immodest. However, given the above information on how he based his opinion, I no longer find his position offensive.
“First is the general prohibition to appear in immodest attire (see Meiri, Kesubos 72a). There are numerous pesukim cited by poskim to this effect.”
I think that what constitutes immodest attire is dependent on what community you live in and what type of activity you are doing while wearing said attire. In other words, immodest attire is a subjective judgement. While in my community, denim and floor sweeping colorful skirts are considered perfectly modest, in another community (perhaps even those 15 minutes from my own home) those articles of clothing are not permitted.
“Second is a violation of ubechukoseihem lo seilechu, “do not walk in their ways.” This is discussed by Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, zt’l (Igros Moshe YD I #81). It is a violation of walking in the ways of the gentiles if one adopts a practice that originated and is practiced by gentiles that involves either idol-worship or immodesty.”
I can see no connection between leggings and idol worship, and as I previously stated in my article, I don’t see how leggings are any less modest than tights or pantyhose, if worn under an appropriate length skirt. As far as not adopting modes of dress practiced by gentiles, who knows where some of the accepted codes of dress commonly worn by hasidim/haredim stem from? Some allege their dress has Babylonian, Turkish, and Muslim origins.
“Third is the prohibition of v’lifnei iver lo sitein michshol—do not place a stumbling block. This is discussed by Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, zt’l (Yechaveh Da’as III #67).” ……The problem is that these leggings are often worn under a pencil spandex skirt. Frequently, these skirts do not reach the knee or will invariably rise above the knee—a serious halachic problem according to Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, zt’l (Minchas Shlomo Vol. III 103:15), Rav Elyashiv, zt’l, and others (cited in Halichos Bas Yisroel page 71). The Kuntrus Malbushei Nashim (page 11) cites numerous poskim to this effect as well, as does the former chief rabbi of Tel Aviv in Assei Lecha Rav (Vol. VII p. 247).What further complicates the issue is that many women are entirely unaware of the problem. They do not know that it is the nature of a pencil skirt worn with leggings to rise above the knee. Thus, even when the problem is pointed out to them, they will think that they personally are strictly adhering to modest dress.”
Again, I think I have made my feelings known about women being responsible for men’s lustful thoughts. I do however, understand that even with leggings, the halacha doesn’t change in terms of covering the knees. A skirt still needs to be below the knee while wearing leggings, just as it does while wearing tights. Likewise, just as a skirt might rise a bit while wearing tights, it might also rise a bit while wearing leggings and getting in and out of a car for carpool.
Maybe I can enlighten Rabbi Hoffman as to why some of us wear leggings. I think that sometimes, when a question is posed, immediately the gemarah is opened, the citations cited, the commentaries quoted. However, halacha is not just about the head, it’s also about the heart. It’s not dry words and arguments on a page, it’s the practical application to every day life.
A few years ago I was sick. Really sick. You see, I had preeclampsia with my last baby (8 1/2 years ago), went into preterm labor in my 5th month, and developed dangerously high blood pressure. I was put on bed rest for the duration of pregnancy, both to prevent going into labor and to prevent a stroke or heart attack which could happen due to my untreated hypertension (blood pressure meds are not safe to use during pregnancy).
It was assumed that I would go “back to normal” as soon as the baby was born. However, reality quickly sunk in. I was over 60 pounds heavier, thanks to lying in bed and eating all day, and my blood pressure remained dangerously high. My muscles were weakened from months of disuse, and it was a challenge even to get up and down the stairs. A nice dose of postpartum depression didn’t help my motivation to get back into shape either. To make a long story short, I wallowed away in poor health for years, barely getting by to perform my everyday responsibilities, until the prospect of staying the same became more daunting than the prospect of changing.
So, I changed. I couldn’t imagine doing any strenuous exercise. I decided to do something I loved, something low impact, and something I could stick with for the long haul. I decided to buy a bicycle. Yes, I know that in many communities, a woman riding a bike is an inherently untznius act. However, biking was the road to my recovery. It wasn’t easy to begin my journey, and part of that unease was wondering what I would wear. The headgear wasn’t a problem. A pre-tied snood and a helmet did just fine for the headcovering. The top wasn’t an issue, as a long sleeve or 3/4 sleeve t-shirt did the trick. However, what to wear below?
I couldn’t wear a skirt with nothing underneath, and even tights wouldn’t work. Pedaling around in a billowing skirt could get me arrested for indecent exposure! I decided to go with leggings, because they serve the function of pants without being overly bulky underneath a skirt. The next question was what type of skirt to wear. I tried pleated skirts, cotton skirts, longer skirts, mid-calf skirts. In all of these, my skirts got caught in the gears or back wheels, causing near accidents. I started wearing lycra pencil skirts, not overly tight, but narrow and short enough that they don’t get caught in the bicycle. Yes, although I don’t need to get out of my car, I do wear my cycling clothes to drop off carpool.
But, you know what, bicycling saved my life! From my first tentative pedals, not having ridden a bike since childhood, to my first 20 mile ride, the pounds came off bit by bit. My blood pressure also lowered, although unfortunately, my preeclampsia sparked a lifelong condition of hypertension requiring medication. So, if I have to sacrifice a modicum of modesty by wearing lycra skirts and leggings, I’ll do it. It’s worth it to stay healthy and continue an exercise that I will stick with for the long term.
Maybe my story is completely irrelevant to your viewpoint. Even if it doesn’t change your stance, I would ask that you not posken halacha in a bubble, or by checking wikipedia to find out the issues. I know that sometimes women can be even more stringent upon the laws of tznius than rabbis are. I don’t know if it stems from jealousy (I’m not allowed to wear that, so why is she?) or some sense that we have so few mitzvot to call our own that we are going to be extra vigilant gatekeepers of the ones we do have? Whatever, the reason, I ask that you find out the personal stories behind the shailahs.
I do ask you for mechila for hurting your feelings, and apologize for any personal attacks on your character.
